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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.frcblog.com/2009/08/coffee-conversations-after-church/comment-page-1/#comment-1799</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By: ol cranky &#124; August 4, 2009 at 4:46 pm

@Nathan: apparently, fundamentalist Christians have some sort of right to violate and infringe upon the rights of non-adherents.&quot;

Actually, Christians like myself are simply proposing that homosexuality and related behavior brings misery not happiness.  There is scientific evidence to support this:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=255614

Now, true religious imposition on the gay community can be found in mostly Muslim like Iraq.  There the gay lifestyle is considered a crime worthy of the death penalty:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/155656

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090503/FOREIGN/705029847/1002

Interestingly, you don&#039;t see groups like GLAAD protesting in front of mosques or Iraqi embassies in the US.  That&#039;s another post.

Given the choice I&#039;d rather someone think that homosexuality can be cured through God&#039;s grace (e.g., Christians) instead of the Iraqi method (i.e., death by fire).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By: ol cranky | August 4, 2009 at 4:46 pm</p>
<p>@Nathan: apparently, fundamentalist Christians have some sort of right to violate and infringe upon the rights of non-adherents.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Christians like myself are simply proposing that homosexuality and related behavior brings misery not happiness.  There is scientific evidence to support this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=255614" rel="nofollow">http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=255614</a></p>
<p>Now, true religious imposition on the gay community can be found in mostly Muslim like Iraq.  There the gay lifestyle is considered a crime worthy of the death penalty:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/155656" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/155656</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090503/FOREIGN/705029847/1002" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090503/FOREIGN/705029847/1002</a></p>
<p>Interestingly, you don&#8217;t see groups like GLAAD protesting in front of mosques or Iraqi embassies in the US.  That&#8217;s another post.</p>
<p>Given the choice I&#8217;d rather someone think that homosexuality can be cured through God&#8217;s grace (e.g., Christians) instead of the Iraqi method (i.e., death by fire).</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nathan

Have you read the health care bill to prove that transgenderism isn&#039;t covered?

If not, here you go:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h3200ih.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nathan</p>
<p>Have you read the health care bill to prove that transgenderism isn&#8217;t covered?</p>
<p>If not, here you go:</p>
<p><a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h3200ih.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h3200ih.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.frcblog.com/2009/08/coffee-conversations-after-church/comment-page-1/#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Patrick wrote:

There is no need to change the will. Even after the sex change he will still genetically be female. That can’t be changed.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Which underscores the futility of a woman trying to become a man.  That&#039;s as as as a Black man like myself bleaching my skin and saying I&#039;m White.  No, I still a Black guy except with now-ruined skin and even worse self-esteem.

Put simply transgenderism is a form of self-hatred and thus quite unhealthy.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;And BTW, regardless of how you come down on the particular issues, I think its reprehensible to use your friends story, something they apparently view as a tragedy, as fodder for you to score political points.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Did it occur to you that Mr. Morrison asked his friend for permission to repeat his  story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Patrick wrote:</p>
<p>There is no need to change the will. Even after the sex change he will still genetically be female. That can’t be changed.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Which underscores the futility of a woman trying to become a man.  That&#8217;s as as as a Black man like myself bleaching my skin and saying I&#8217;m White.  No, I still a Black guy except with now-ruined skin and even worse self-esteem.</p>
<p>Put simply transgenderism is a form of self-hatred and thus quite unhealthy.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;And BTW, regardless of how you come down on the particular issues, I think its reprehensible to use your friends story, something they apparently view as a tragedy, as fodder for you to score political points.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Did it occur to you that Mr. Morrison asked his friend for permission to repeat his  story?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no need to change the will. Even after the sex change he will still genetically be female. That can&#039;t be changed.

And BTW, regardless of how you come down on the particular issues, I think its reprehensible to use your friends story, something they apparently view as a tragedy, as fodder for you to score political points.

And I don&#039;t think you could ever be a very good preacher. You only ever seek to make people afraid of something or someone etc. Its Un-Chrisitan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no need to change the will. Even after the sex change he will still genetically be female. That can&#8217;t be changed.</p>
<p>And BTW, regardless of how you come down on the particular issues, I think its reprehensible to use your friends story, something they apparently view as a tragedy, as fodder for you to score political points.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think you could ever be a very good preacher. You only ever seek to make people afraid of something or someone etc. Its Un-Chrisitan.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nathan; parents don&#039;t have the rights to control their grown child&#039;s mind, body, or anything else. Their child, on the other hand, has the right to pursue happiness.

Look on the bright side, they&#039;re losing a lesbian daughter and gaining a straight son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Nathan; parents don&#8217;t have the rights to control their grown child&#8217;s mind, body, or anything else. Their child, on the other hand, has the right to pursue happiness.</p>
<p>Look on the bright side, they&#8217;re losing a lesbian daughter and gaining a straight son.</p>
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		<title>By: ol cranky</title>
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		<dc:creator>ol cranky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nathan:  apparently, fundamentalist Christians have some sort of right to violate and infringe upon the rights of non-adherents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nathan:  apparently, fundamentalist Christians have some sort of right to violate and infringe upon the rights of non-adherents.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a true story in any way? Kind of sneaky how you put the Health Care Reform into your &quot;conversation&quot;.

Shouldn&#039;t Health be what every Christian wants for everyone? I think Jesus would agree with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a true story in any way? Kind of sneaky how you put the Health Care Reform into your &#8220;conversation&#8221;.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t Health be what every Christian wants for everyone? I think Jesus would agree with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, regarding your two points:

1.  Your friend with the daughter/son issue.  Which of his rights were taken away exactly?  Is his will unable to be rewritten?  I don&#039;t follow your logic.  And do you have any proof that sex reassignment surgery is covered in Obama&#039;s plan, or is this just a slippery slope argument that you are unable to substantiate?

2.  The program you are referring to is designed to help seniors prepare their finances and keep them from being scammed or unprepared so that the government doesn&#039;t take what should go to their families without legal wrangling.  You are taking the slippery slope argument.  In a similar fashion, I could easily say that President Bush&#039;s (and now President Obama&#039;s) faith-based initiative could lead to a publicly-funded Official State Religion, but clearly that was not the case.  Slippery slope arguments are called faulty logic for a reason: They do not hold water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, regarding your two points:</p>
<p>1.  Your friend with the daughter/son issue.  Which of his rights were taken away exactly?  Is his will unable to be rewritten?  I don&#8217;t follow your logic.  And do you have any proof that sex reassignment surgery is covered in Obama&#8217;s plan, or is this just a slippery slope argument that you are unable to substantiate?</p>
<p>2.  The program you are referring to is designed to help seniors prepare their finances and keep them from being scammed or unprepared so that the government doesn&#8217;t take what should go to their families without legal wrangling.  You are taking the slippery slope argument.  In a similar fashion, I could easily say that President Bush&#8217;s (and now President Obama&#8217;s) faith-based initiative could lead to a publicly-funded Official State Religion, but clearly that was not the case.  Slippery slope arguments are called faulty logic for a reason: They do not hold water.</p>
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