So you’re saying that FRC does NOT have an “inherent bias” in any issue related to abortion? Give me a break.

Above all else, do whatever is necessary to cast your opponents in the worst light possible: suggest their inherent bias, insult their intelligence, and cast dispersion on their character. You could even make bigoted statements about their (perceived) religious beliefs, which has been working out quite nicely for the “No on Prop 8″ crowd.

It may not turn black into white, but at least it will win favor with the mainstream media.

It’s absurd to say that for every medical procedure informed consent is critical – except in the case of children receiving abortions.

Children by definition cannot give informed consent. I don’t think I’m making an earth-shattering observation.

Further, New also makes clear that allowing children to bypass parental notification laws enables abusers to cover thier tracks by helping raped children get an abortion.

Yet RCharles completely ignores these results wile presenting no counterclaim. Why wouldn’t we want the people who love a child the most to know that the child has been rapd? What POSSIBLE benefit can come from excluding the people who would lay down thier lives for a child from this episode in a child’s life?

Does RCharles expect anyone to swallow the propaganda that mothers and fathers are abusing thier pregnant daughters in any meaningful percentage, or does s/he want us to believe that the miniscule numbers of irresponsible parents justify carving out this exception? Come on.

Of course, if abortion is merely the means to an end that consists of eliminating parental influence from children’s lives, to replace parents with state actors, then creating this exception makes perfect sense as a significant milestone towards that goal.

RCharles doesn’t acknowledge that 3 separate studies seem to verify New’s conclusion.

Apparently we are to assume that if someone wants to see abortion rates decrease, a study that shows they do is invalid because an author wanted to see abortions decrease.

Does New want to see abortion rates decrease? I hope so. But motivations are irrelevent ifhis math is sound.

Those motivations have no effect on the issue of whether children can give informed consent (they can’t); it has no effect on whether abusers can manipulate children to seek an abortion to hide a future DNA test (molesters are by definition manipulative people); his motiviation has no effect on whether rates go down or not.

The numbers seem to bear out that abortion rates go down when parents are involved. I personally think that’s good evidence for why parents should be involved, but I also think its critical that if my daughter is facing a medical procedure then the only two people on planet Earth who know her medical history should be involved in the decision making process.

Who in thier right mind would want my child to die just to ensure that she could abort her child?

The day abortion proponents argue that all informed consent laws should be discarded is the day that they have a consistent argument for eliminating parents from the informed consent process of an abortion.

Of course they would then be revealig thier true agenda, which would tend to deligitimize them in the eyes of most people.

Duh.

Are you pro-parental-consent people gonna be consistant? Then you need to support my right to FORCE an abortion on my minor daughter.

Talk about begging the question. Without parental involvement, who gets to make that call? Thats right, the “mature” teenager who just got pregnant. Have you ever met a teenager that thought they were not mature enough to make a decision without their parents? The whole point of the laws is that a teenager is poorly equiped to make these decisions and the parents need to be involved in this process.

I also was amazed by your reference to “family abuse or interference” as if trying to prevent an abortion is on par with abuse. I will never understand the glorification of death by the Left.

Well, DUH! If you make it difficult for a minor to get an abortion they will get fewer abortions. And, of course, that is your goal, not to help the minor in any way but to prevent the abortion, damn the consequences.

If a minor is mature enough to seek and abortion and needs privacy due to potential family abuse or interference, there is no logical reason to force them into that abuse. Instead of just counting the number of abortions, I suggest you study the subsequent years of the minor’s life and the life of the child they were forced to create. If you find that more than half are in worse condition, e.g., abused, thrown out, living in poverty or on welfare, then your action is abusive intrusion in the life of each individual.

But you would rather quote the abortion count statistics, which are a given and prove nothing.

RCG