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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.frcblog.com/2008/02/a-defining-moment-for-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb,

I wish you come here to Massachusetts, I would be proud to have you as my neighbor.

Dwin,

Suricou is one of the good guys, she is being sarcastic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb,</p>
<p>I wish you come here to Massachusetts, I would be proud to have you as my neighbor.</p>
<p>Dwin,</p>
<p>Suricou is one of the good guys, she is being sarcastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick (gryph)</title>
		<link>http://www.frcblog.com/2008/02/a-defining-moment-for-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick (gryph)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Social conservatives will gag on several things he says, including his declaration, “We as a society can and should accept the dignity of homosexual love.”&quot;

If social conservatives have trouble suppressing their gag reflex in order to respect the dignity of gay and lesbian relationships then I suggest that they examine exactly what they are choking on. It’s more likely to be their own ego or ignorance and or self-righteousness than it is gay or lesbian people.

The &quot;gag reflex&quot; is a well-known failing of human beings. It not that long ago in this country that people had that same exact reaction at the thought of a black man and white woman falling in love and getting married. What’s next they would say, people getting married to their dogs and cats?

I&#039;ve been blessed in my life to see quite a few gay and lesbian relationships up close and personal. They are neither more nor less flawed or sublime than relations between straight people.

I remember when my friend David was dying, the simple every-day human grace that his partner Michael would display as he took care of him. He was always there with a kind word or gentle touch, even when changing David&#039;s diapers during his last days. If you want to truly see love in action, then witness two people taking care of each other in &quot;sickness and in health&quot;.

More recently I&#039;ve been watching another gay couple I know take care of each other. Both Marines, they were also both wounded severely in Iraq by separate I.E.D.&#039;s. They met and fell in love as they were recovering from their injuries. Both have TBI and PTSD, so they don&#039;t respond well to loud noises. But last year during a thunderstorm, one of them crawled upstairs just to make sure that his sleeping partner was &quot;all right&quot;. He crawled because he had left his legs upstairs and the storm had cut the power to the handicap lift he normally uses.

If you cannot see the dignity and grace in &quot;homosexual&quot; relationships that is not because it doesn&#039;t exist, it’s because you have intentionally blinded yourselves to it. You look upon gay and lesbian human beings and you take &quot;human beings&quot; out of the sentence. You have turned the hearts in your chests into icy black rocks. It is no wonder you are gagging.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Social conservatives will gag on several things he says, including his declaration, “We as a society can and should accept the dignity of homosexual love.”&#8221;</p>
<p>If social conservatives have trouble suppressing their gag reflex in order to respect the dignity of gay and lesbian relationships then I suggest that they examine exactly what they are choking on. It’s more likely to be their own ego or ignorance and or self-righteousness than it is gay or lesbian people.</p>
<p>The &#8220;gag reflex&#8221; is a well-known failing of human beings. It not that long ago in this country that people had that same exact reaction at the thought of a black man and white woman falling in love and getting married. What’s next they would say, people getting married to their dogs and cats?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been blessed in my life to see quite a few gay and lesbian relationships up close and personal. They are neither more nor less flawed or sublime than relations between straight people.</p>
<p>I remember when my friend David was dying, the simple every-day human grace that his partner Michael would display as he took care of him. He was always there with a kind word or gentle touch, even when changing David&#8217;s diapers during his last days. If you want to truly see love in action, then witness two people taking care of each other in &#8220;sickness and in health&#8221;.</p>
<p>More recently I&#8217;ve been watching another gay couple I know take care of each other. Both Marines, they were also both wounded severely in Iraq by separate I.E.D.&#8217;s. They met and fell in love as they were recovering from their injuries. Both have TBI and PTSD, so they don&#8217;t respond well to loud noises. But last year during a thunderstorm, one of them crawled upstairs just to make sure that his sleeping partner was &#8220;all right&#8221;. He crawled because he had left his legs upstairs and the storm had cut the power to the handicap lift he normally uses.</p>
<p>If you cannot see the dignity and grace in &#8220;homosexual&#8221; relationships that is not because it doesn&#8217;t exist, it’s because you have intentionally blinded yourselves to it. You look upon gay and lesbian human beings and you take &#8220;human beings&#8221; out of the sentence. You have turned the hearts in your chests into icy black rocks. It is no wonder you are gagging.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwin</title>
		<link>http://www.frcblog.com/2008/02/a-defining-moment-for-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suricou - you&#039;ve fallen hook, line and sinker (fishing term - yes we are avid fishermen too) for the lies that children will be &quot;harmed&quot; by having two mommies or two daddies.  Our daughter, her husband (great guy) and four children (two boys and two girls)would all disagree that two dads and three grandpas was, or is, harmful in any way to our family.  I wish you peace.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suricou &#8211; you&#8217;ve fallen hook, line and sinker (fishing term &#8211; yes we are avid fishermen too) for the lies that children will be &#8220;harmed&#8221; by having two mommies or two daddies.  Our daughter, her husband (great guy) and four children (two boys and two girls)would all disagree that two dads and three grandpas was, or is, harmful in any way to our family.  I wish you peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a Christian for 28 of my 53 years and I am a proud lesbian.  I have adopted 1 child, my partner has adopted 3.  Our state does not allow us to jointly adopt the children.  Guess what -- they have no legal father -- wouldn&#039;t it be nice if they had two legal parents?  Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if they had the same legal protections that a heterosexual family would offer them.

We&#039;re no threat to heterosexual families, we&#039;re simply trying to live our lives in the way we know best.  We love our kids and want them to know and love Jesus just as any heterosexual Christian family would.  We take our kids to church and participate in our church.  Our children would not be harmed if we were allowed to legally marry, they would be more protected.  But let&#039;s put marriage aside, I don&#039;t care if you call it a civil union just so our children get the legal protections any child would have from belonging to a family -- that&#039;s all we ask for.

Oh, and by the way, there are many Christians who allow and recognize same-sex unions, ceremony and all.  It&#039;s there, opposing view Christians can&#039;t do anything about it.  It&#039;s the government that we want to recogize our joining so that we can have LEGAL protections as every other member of the United States society has.  This is a Civil Rights issue.  In the United States there&#039;s separation of religion and State, so you&#039;re trying to impose your religious views on a government function.  Our country was founded to fight having a religion dictate what parameters our government is run under.

God Bless You!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a Christian for 28 of my 53 years and I am a proud lesbian.  I have adopted 1 child, my partner has adopted 3.  Our state does not allow us to jointly adopt the children.  Guess what &#8212; they have no legal father &#8212; wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if they had two legal parents?  Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if they had the same legal protections that a heterosexual family would offer them.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re no threat to heterosexual families, we&#8217;re simply trying to live our lives in the way we know best.  We love our kids and want them to know and love Jesus just as any heterosexual Christian family would.  We take our kids to church and participate in our church.  Our children would not be harmed if we were allowed to legally marry, they would be more protected.  But let&#8217;s put marriage aside, I don&#8217;t care if you call it a civil union just so our children get the legal protections any child would have from belonging to a family &#8212; that&#8217;s all we ask for.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, there are many Christians who allow and recognize same-sex unions, ceremony and all.  It&#8217;s there, opposing view Christians can&#8217;t do anything about it.  It&#8217;s the government that we want to recogize our joining so that we can have LEGAL protections as every other member of the United States society has.  This is a Civil Rights issue.  In the United States there&#8217;s separation of religion and State, so you&#8217;re trying to impose your religious views on a government function.  Our country was founded to fight having a religion dictate what parameters our government is run under.</p>
<p>God Bless You!</p>
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		<title>By: Suricou Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suricou Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Challotte: But you dont understand... if we let gays marry, then the children will be harmed! Think of the children! If you support gay marriage you want to harm children!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Challotte: But you dont understand&#8230; if we let gays marry, then the children will be harmed! Think of the children! If you support gay marriage you want to harm children!</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very sad that even like most Christian groups FRC, though not officially &quot;Christian&quot; nevertheless unwittingly continues to promote the fascist lies and propaganda homoerotic agenda by embracing the bogus terminology of the lie and fraud &quot;homosex-&quot; that not only never was and never will be, but is inherently oxymoronic (exposed by &quot;The &#039;gay&#039; invention&quot; at
&lt;a href=&quot;http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f),&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f),&lt;/a&gt;
tragically unwittingly perpetuating a fraud the way it also does with its support of the evolution fraud disguised as &quot;intelligent design&quot; (ID) that is still ultimately just as rejecting of Biblical truth and authority as evolution itself seen in its frequently attacks of Biblical (i.e. &quot;young earth&quot;) creation (YEC) and its adherents to curry favor with the world and its elites that ironically still despises them, both evolution and ID equally exposed both scientifically and especially Biblically as bogus frauds (especially the absurd and easily refuted irrational and bogus billions of years chronology delusion of the ignorant, stupid and incompetent (including if not especially PhDs) at www.answersinGeneis.org , YEC being irrefutably the unanimously held view of all Israel and the Church for most of nineteen centuries until the age of the Church&#039;s Darwinian adulterous captivity still in progress, despite the lies and spin of various &quot;christian&quot; scholars, as seen in the woeful state of most of today&#039;s ineffective Biblically illiterate Christian groups that have no sure Word of God to proclaim, just the disgusting fatuous compromise of warmed over antitheist evolution rehash.  Contrary to popular stupid and ignorant opinions that rule the Church today, it is manifestly no arguable matter like modes of baptism, but of either choosing God&#039;s truth or man&#039;s error and falsehood since no one but YEC can make a reasonable case for their position, the reason why no one will debate them any more despite vain excuses that merely expose their incompetence, though of course finally it&#039;s in no way a matter of man&#039;s wisdom but God&#039;s condescending revelation as is very plain in
Matt 11:25/Luke 10:21  … Jesus … said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. and Romans 9:16  So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy. and 13:1 There is no power but of God.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very sad that even like most Christian groups FRC, though not officially &#8220;Christian&#8221; nevertheless unwittingly continues to promote the fascist lies and propaganda homoerotic agenda by embracing the bogus terminology of the lie and fraud &#8220;homosex-&#8221; that not only never was and never will be, but is inherently oxymoronic (exposed by &#8220;The &#8216;gay&#8217; invention&#8221; at<br />
<a href="http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f)," rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f" rel="nofollow">http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f</a>),<br />
tragically unwittingly perpetuating a fraud the way it also does with its support of the evolution fraud disguised as &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; (ID) that is still ultimately just as rejecting of Biblical truth and authority as evolution itself seen in its frequently attacks of Biblical (i.e. &#8220;young earth&#8221;) creation (YEC) and its adherents to curry favor with the world and its elites that ironically still despises them, both evolution and ID equally exposed both scientifically and especially Biblically as bogus frauds (especially the absurd and easily refuted irrational and bogus billions of years chronology delusion of the ignorant, stupid and incompetent (including if not especially PhDs) at <a href="http://www.answersinGeneis.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.answersinGeneis.org</a> , YEC being irrefutably the unanimously held view of all Israel and the Church for most of nineteen centuries until the age of the Church&#8217;s Darwinian adulterous captivity still in progress, despite the lies and spin of various &#8220;christian&#8221; scholars, as seen in the woeful state of most of today&#8217;s ineffective Biblically illiterate Christian groups that have no sure Word of God to proclaim, just the disgusting fatuous compromise of warmed over antitheist evolution rehash.  Contrary to popular stupid and ignorant opinions that rule the Church today, it is manifestly no arguable matter like modes of baptism, but of either choosing God&#8217;s truth or man&#8217;s error and falsehood since no one but YEC can make a reasonable case for their position, the reason why no one will debate them any more despite vain excuses that merely expose their incompetence, though of course finally it&#8217;s in no way a matter of man&#8217;s wisdom but God&#8217;s condescending revelation as is very plain in<br />
Matt 11:25/Luke 10:21  … Jesus … said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. and Romans 9:16  So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy. and 13:1 There is no power but of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is a basic civil right that should be attainable by all Americans. For the truth about gay marriage check out our trailer. Produced to educate &amp; defuse the controversy it has a way of opening closed minds &amp; provides some sanity on the issue: www.OUTTAKEonline.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is a basic civil right that should be attainable by all Americans. For the truth about gay marriage check out our trailer. Produced to educate &#038; defuse the controversy it has a way of opening closed minds &#038; provides some sanity on the issue: <a href="http://www.OUTTAKEonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.OUTTAKEonline.com</a></p>
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