Comments on: The sonogram’s secret is out http://www.frcblog.com/2007/04/the-sonograms-secret-is-out/ The Blog of Family Research Council Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:09:56 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jared Bridges http://www.frcblog.com/2007/04/the-sonograms-secret-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-339 Jared Bridges Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:23:03 +0000 http://new.frcblog.agathongroup.com/?p=227#comment-339 <strong>Brian:</strong> Brian, you're right in that instincts are helpful, but as we can see with any crime, they are also fallible. For example, just because most people know by instinct that stealing a candy bar is wrong doesn't preclude the necessity to ban candy bar theft outright. It's the same with abortion. Ultimately, hearts and minds need to be changed, but legislation should be in place to protect the unborn when a person's instincts fail. Brian: Brian, you’re right in that instincts are helpful, but as we can see with any crime, they are also fallible. For example, just because most people know by instinct that stealing a candy bar is wrong doesn’t preclude the necessity to ban candy bar theft outright.

It’s the same with abortion. Ultimately, hearts and minds need to be changed, but legislation should be in place to protect the unborn when a person’s instincts fail.

]]> By: Brian http://www.frcblog.com/2007/04/the-sonograms-secret-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-338 Brian Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:13:32 +0000 http://new.frcblog.agathongroup.com/?p=227#comment-338 Is there not something to be said about instincts? And might this type of legislation be a better way of redressing abortion then outright banning it in all cases. If the woman understands the full impace of her decision and still believes it to be the correct one, she still has the option to go ahead with it. Is there not something to be said about instincts? And might this type of legislation be a better way of redressing abortion then outright banning it in all cases. If the woman understands the full impace of her decision and still believes it to be the correct one, she still has the option to go ahead with it.

]]> By: Suricou Raven http://www.frcblog.com/2007/04/the-sonograms-secret-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-337 Suricou Raven Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:08:49 +0000 http://new.frcblog.agathongroup.com/?p=227#comment-337 Powerful words do not make a good argument. The post even admits, indirectly, that the objective of showing the sonograms is to use their very emotional appeal to 'maternial instinct' (rather than rational argument) to guilt the patients out of an abortion. Can any proponent of this law honestly claim that its primary purpose is not to convince women not to undergo abortion? Oh, and pleased to see you here, Beverly. You have provided some interesting debates. Powerful words do not make a good argument. The post even admits, indirectly, that the objective of showing the sonograms is to use their very emotional appeal to ‘maternial instinct’ (rather than rational argument) to guilt the patients out of an abortion.

Can any proponent of this law honestly claim that its primary purpose is not to convince women not to undergo abortion?

Oh, and pleased to see you here, Beverly. You have provided some interesting debates.

]]> By: Beverly Nuckols, MD http://www.frcblog.com/2007/04/the-sonograms-secret-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-336 Beverly Nuckols, MD Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:38:09 +0000 http://new.frcblog.agathongroup.com/?p=227#comment-336 SR, go back and read the powerful words quoted in the post. Argue with those. Beverly Nuckols, MD LifeEthics.org (Texas) SR, go back and read the powerful words quoted in the post. Argue with those.
Beverly Nuckols, MD
LifeEthics.org (Texas)

]]> By: Suricou Raven http://www.frcblog.com/2007/04/the-sonograms-secret-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-335 Suricou Raven Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:08:00 +0000 http://new.frcblog.agathongroup.com/?p=227#comment-335 Why are facts always lost so quickly? 1. A sonogram is standard practice before all surgical and most medical abortions. Its to check for potential complications. 2. The law thus has no need to require women recieve a sonogram. What it actually does is mandate showing women the picture, then waiting at least an hour to let them reconsider before continuing the abortion. Prior to this law, I imagine most clinics wouldn't insist on showing the image. In a small part due to the profit motive, but in larger part because it would make an already stressful procedure even more so. 3. There is no cencorship here - the sonogram is a medical record. The woman is perfectly entitled to see if *if she requests*. All she needed to do is ask. The only change the law makes is to insist she *must* look at it. Also, im just speculating on this, but... wouldn't this give clinics a huge incentive to avoid the use of the newer 3d/4d scanners with their emotion-laden images and stick with, or even downgrade to, the older 2d ones which look like little more than a blur to someone without training? Why are facts always lost so quickly?

1. A sonogram is standard practice before all surgical and most medical abortions. Its to check for potential complications.

2. The law thus has no need to require women recieve a sonogram. What it actually does is mandate showing women the picture, then waiting at least an hour to let them reconsider before continuing the abortion. Prior to this law, I imagine most clinics wouldn’t insist on showing the image. In a small part due to the profit motive, but in larger part because it would make an already stressful procedure even more so.

3. There is no cencorship here – the sonogram is a medical record. The woman is perfectly entitled to see if *if she requests*. All she needed to do is ask. The only change the law makes is to insist she *must* look at it.

Also, im just speculating on this, but… wouldn’t this give clinics a huge incentive to avoid the use of the newer 3d/4d scanners with their emotion-laden images and stick with, or even downgrade to, the older 2d ones which look like little more than a blur to someone without training?

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